Wednesday, January 14, 2009

EJF invites 1/3 of world to convert /RaP&Roni


Recipients and Publicity comment to "EJF - offers enlightenment to non-Jews":

It's not just "Art Gib" because as the article tells the readers at its end: "About the Author :- Eternal Jewish Family offers information on Jewish conversion. Art Gib is a freelance writer." This Mr. Art Gib has been writing a lot of upbeat GLIB PR articles in behalf of EJF lately, as if he was promoting a new yummy super-delicious brand of Hagen-Daz ice-cream. He is more than a "freelancer" with all his stuff popping up online it surely seems that he is a well-paid and highly skilled writer on the EJF payroll (just that "freelancer" sounds a lot nicer to the gullible.)

This one takes the cake (or is it a super-dooper scoop of ice-cream that widens the eyes): "While nearly one third of the population of the world is considered Jewish or has Jewish ancestry" (SAY WHAT???) and that to his come on to the gentiles: "If you've always had questions or curiosities, or are considering conversion and want to know more, most of the time all you have to do is ask" (NOT PROSELYTIZING, RIGHT???) with the assurance that: "You'll find that anyone practicing the faith will be more than happy to answer your questions and steer you down the path to spiritual enlightenment" (LIKE WHO, WOULDN'T BE EJF WOULD IT ???)

So now EJF is inviting "nearly one third of the population of the world" (oh, they can also deny it by saying it was "Mr Gib" the shmo who wrote it) that he and EJF "consider" to be "Jewish" to join up and become Jewish with ultra-holier-than-thou conversions managed by EJF (and this, after accusing Bomzer and Rabbi Drukman of going overboard), with Rabbi Tropper running a "yeshiva" and educational programs for ove TWO BILLION people/"Jews" (the world's population is about 6 and half billion at present), that's greater than any false messianic movement in world history, with Rabbi Tropper at its epicenter as the "ultimate leader of all the halachic converts" -- you know, that should be a lot of fun (for Rabbi Tropper and his partner Tom Kaplan at least, who will have then materialized their delusional megalomaniacal dream!

No wonder Rabbi Eisenstein has walked away from Tropper and EJF because it is inconceivable that anyone in the Torah world wishes to lure over TWO BILLION gentiles into Torah true Judaism under the "auspices" of EJF.

Some things are best left for Eliyahu Hanovi and the true Mashiach to accomplish, but obviously the Tropper-Kaplan duo don't think so. Get ready for the fireworks on this one!

Roni comment to RaP's comment to post "EJF - offers enlightenment to non-Jews":

"that he and EJF "consider" to be "Jewish" to join up and become Jewish with ultra-holier-than-thou conversions managed by EJF (and this, after accusing Bomzer and Rabbi Drukman of going overboard)".

After all your treatises (while I agree that this article is misleading -even if he is not seeking converts; just making accessible for someone to ask about it- ) he does NOT bring goyim into klal yisroel; his organization does not engage in converting not intermarried couples. we do NOT have the crime of bringing goyim into klal yisroel and destroying kedushat yisroel!

Whereas RHB and some others, seek fake converts by their representatives, and deceive the Jewish people and the prospective covnerts by "converting" falsely: for without kabbalat hamitzvot the conversions is NULL AND VOID! (besides that the conversion may be invalidated due to exorbitant fees!). So ?RHB's converts are goyim and he brings goyim into klal yisroel (and at the same time fostering intermarriage) when he converts a girlfriend who wants to marry a Jew, and makes mockery of the conversion process and meaning itself by converting a shikssah so that her boss can marry her and abandon her husband and children.

4 comments :

  1. Reminds me of the Kabbalah Learning Center. Does EJF also sell red strings?

    It would be nice if Rabbis in addition to Bedatz would make statements forbidding EJF because sometimes it seems as though "everyone accepts conversions for intermarriage except for Bedatz". And I have heard this too many times!

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  2. Maybe R'LT thinks he is the Messiah who will lead the Gentiles to Eretz Yisrael. "Jesus Schizophrenia" is actually most commonly diagnosed in Jewish males.

    Perhaps one of the "little voices" told him a third of the world is Jewish?

    A third of the world is Christian which might be the source of confusion.

    If R'LT has been hanging out with Manny Vinas he might have come to believe that Christianity is Judaism, "only that Christianity uses Mary, Jesus and the saints as intermediaries to arrive at the Father".

    That would be how a third of the world is Jewish, that is if Christianity has been redefined as Judaism and the third of the world that is Christian is now by definition Jewish because Judaism is Christianity and Christianity is Judaism.

    That and "the best way to end Anti Semitism is for Jews to convert to Christianity" which upside down and backwards might read as stated above.

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  3. "It would be nice if Rabbis in addition to Bedatz would make statements forbidding EJF because sometimes it seems as though "everyone accepts conversions for intermarriage except for Bedatz". And I have heard this too many times!"

    In fact, those who make this claim are making a false claim, for eJf is not engaged in converting someone who is seeking to convert IN ORDER TO INTERMARRY! ; they do not enegage in this practice. Herbert Bomzer and theother fellow named in the letter engage in this all the time! And so do may many many other rabbis who do this on accasional basis. But HB and YS and some others do so on a constant basis.

    I wonder where was/is the BaDatz when this sin is so widely in existence for decades and never have we heard any objection to this practice.

    In any event, it could be that those who joining the waggon to condemn EJF, is because they understand that EJF is coming to remove a greater malady the one: that fosters the brginging of goyim intio klal yisroel, that is the real danger to the sanctity of the jewish nation! and sometimes we must amputate the leg to preserve the rest of the body (we choose the lesser of two evils).

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  4. Now there is no pretending of only outreaching to the intermarried or only outreaching to intermarried who were referred by a rabbi. Now the EJF is outreaching to the world.

    Maybe Tropper had The Road Damascus experience and decided to follow the footsteps of St .Paul and to preach to the gentiles. Maybe Tropper should stop consult dreams.

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